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The insight uses a common filter tread size of 20 X 1.5mm and a small filter 2.75 OD and about 2-3in long. I've used a Fram Double Guard DG6607 for the last 8k miles.

I am looking into using a larger or longer filter possibly helping increase oil flow and filtering. These are the ones that match and are longer:
Mobil 1 M1-110 about $10,
Bosch 3323 about $5
Purolator Pure One L14620 about $6
NAPA Gold 1356, Carquest 85356, WIX 51356 about $6
Deutsch D-370 about $4
AC Delco PF-2057 about $6
Motorcraft Long Life FL-821 about $4
STP S-02867 about $3
FRAM, Castrol, Penske 7317 about $3
Also the Amsoil SDF13 and SDF20 about $12

Looks like Mobil 1 m1-110 or the Amsoil SDF13 or 20 is the best choices.

I also found this out " WalMart SuperTech ST6607 about $2
SuperTech filters are made by Champion Laboratories who make Mobil One and Bosch filters and also some automaker brands. While they may not have the advanced filter media of the highest efficiency and highest priced filters, they are considered premium filters and will peform well."

Looks like Mobil 1 m1-110 or the Amsoil SDF13 or 20 is the best choices. For those who change the oil filter every other oil change and the Supertech the best choice for those who change the filter every oil change.
 

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Hi,

I do not know for sure but I undertoud that the Honda filter has an internal flap to prevent oil from dropping down into the pan on Auto-Stop (engine stop). To help the next start with oil pressure quicker.

Does the other filters have such a feature.

Yves.
 

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I know oil and filter discussions can go on and on...

My "personal preference" is Mobil 1 0W-20 and an Amsoil SDF13 every 7,500 miles.
 

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Yves M. Red/2000/45/Cnd said:
Hi,

I do not know for sure but I undertoud that the Honda filter has an internal flap to prevent oil from dropping down into the pan on Auto-Stop (engine stop). To help the next start with oil pressure quicker.

Does the other filters have such a feature.

Yves.
Its common for most oil filters to have the anti drain back valve in them. Though its something that I need to make sure about..
 
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Its common for most oil filters to have the anti drain back valve in them. Though its something that I need to make sure about..
From Amsoil's website at:

http://www.amsoil.com/products/sdf.html

"On filter installations where the mounting is sideways or upright, dirty oil could drain out of the filter when the engine is shut off. The AMSOIL SDF has an anti-drainback valve that keeps trapped contaminants in the filter when the engine is not running."
 
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Hi Cakely:

___I have been using the Walmart SuperTech filter(s) and Mobil1 (5W-30/0W-20) in the 03 Corolla, the 03 MDX, and now the Insight. Before I had driven the Insight over 5 miles, I had the oil and filter swapped out with the above.

___As for Amsoil, its PAO Base stock actually comes from Mobil that I have read. Almost all oil filters have ADBV’s in them as well. The Champion lab’s built filters (SuperTech, STP, Bosch, and Mobil1 to name a few), have some of the best designed ADBV’s available according to some of the commentary on the net.

___Finally, Bobistheoilguy’s - Forums (Car and Truck Gas Engine Oil and Oil Filters) are a great place to start when researching this kind of thing.

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___[email:flwwjoya][email protected][/email:flwwjoya]
 

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I wouldn't spend the extra $$ for amsoil oil. I'll stick with Mobil 1.

For the oil filter I want to try the Mobil 1 m1-110 or Amsoil SDF-20
 

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Anyone buy a Honda OEM filter for the Insight lately? Last time I bought them, they were all being produced in Japan by Toyo Roki which supposedly are excellent filters. Dunno about now. My car is up for an oil change and need to buy some supplies soon. :) Would hate to end up with one of the subpar US OEM made ones.
 

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cakley said:
Looks like Mobil 1 m1-110 or the Amsoil SDF13 or 20 is the best choices. For those who change the oil filter every other oil change and the Supertech the best choice for those who change the filter every oil change.
installed the M1-110 today....I can change the filter from the top, but oil goes everywhere below :cry:
 

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A quick heads-up - I'm using the larger K&N filter # HP-1010 (2000 Nissan Frontier) instead of the called for K&N HP-1008. It's about 0.84 inches longer, about the same diameter. K&N's have the 1 inch hex head on the top, making removal a breeze. Using Moile 5-20 Extended Service.
 

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i slide a small, square, tupperware-like container (i think its a Glad brand) under the filter after i loosen it a bit. the oil all drains into the container after i back it off its seat. then i remove the filter, being careful to keep it over the container, and pour the remaining oil out of the filter. after removing the filter from the top of the engine bay and disposing of it, i clean off the filter adapter. then i slide the container over to the drivers side and put the top on it. then the container can be rotated 90 degrees to remove it from the top of the engine bay as well. no muss, no fuss!

also, i installed a fumoto quick-drain valve with a hose on it to drain the crankcase. also reached from the top, with a small catch basin under the car.
 

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I buy OEM honda oil filters in bulk for my 93 civic track car and although they are longer then the Insight filters they fit perfectly. So in summary I use Civic oil filters on my Insight.
 

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K&N's have the 1 inch hex head on the top, making removal a breeze.
For years and years ( about 20 ) which equal maybe 100 oil changes when you consider multiple cars were involved... I always oil the gasket, and hand tighten the new filter about 3/4 turn from first contact.
I've had no leaks in 20 years.

I generally ( maybe a couple times exception ) don't need any tools to remove the oil filter.
On by hand, off by hand.

I think I needed tools to remove dealer installed filters.
I suspect a lot of folks over-tighten these.
If you need a wrench to spin it off, it was too tight in the first place IMHO.
 

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I don’t know why this post showed on my feed. It’s been 12 years? I get angry when that happens (overtightened oil filters). I stopped taking my cars to Honda for oil changes years ago, even though it’s good for insurance purposes. They simply overfill and over tighten too much. On by hand, tighten by hand, off by hand. No need for wrenches.
 

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Maybe the forum is bugged?

What I do is I get the M1-110 filter. It's the Mobil1 filter for the G2 Insight. Or you can just tell the guy at the parts store you need the filter for a 2010 Insight if you want one of the other brands. It's got like double the capacity of the original. Costs the exact same too.

One can also get Fumoto F104N to replace the drain bolt.
 

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Maybe the forum is bugged?

What I do is I get the M1-110 filter. It's the Mobil1 filter for the G2 Insight. Or you can just tell the guy at the parts store you need the filter for a 2010 Insight if you want one of the other brands. It's got like double the capacity of the original. Costs the exact same too.

One can also get Fumoto F104N to replace the drain bolt.
If I’m not mistaken, with the exception of the S2k, I think most of the 4 cylinder Honda’s are the same size. I always get the Bosch 3323 or the Mobil 1 filter. I stay away from Fram like the plague. A lot of guys use the S2k filter on their k20’s. Any reason for a bigger filter?


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I tried to find the thread/post but couldn't find it - but I believe, in the context of pros/cons of using a larger filter, one person mentioned that the small or larger choice could have, or probably do have, differences other than size. I think the bypass valve strength was the example or subject... In the past I've used a larger filter, and noticed that, looking inside, comparing to stock size, the insides were different, like the valve thing at the bottom, even though they were the same brand.

In the end, I think I decided that there's probably various considerations that go into the engineer's decision about proper size/type of oil filter, that I don't know anything about it, and that it'd probably be best to stick with what's engineered for the car... The two things that come to mind are the bypass valve thing and oil temp in larger vs. smaller filter. Since our engines spend a lot of time turning off and on (auto-stop), seems like these could matter more than typical. Maybe. Probably not? Who knows, don't know, don't really care.
 

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Ok. That makes sense. These guys on the track are probably looking for a little extra oil in the system to keep temps down, even if just a little. Thanks for sharing.
 

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OK, maybe I don't care, but I am a little curious... I'm remembering that some years of the Insight have an oil cooler, so I'm wondering: larger filter + slightly more oil = cooler oil? I think later model Insights don't have the cooler. Wonder how oil cooler + larger filter compares in terms of oil temp to oil cooler + smaller filter. And perhaps no cooler + either filter...

In general, you'd think the Insight would 'do better' with warmer, thinner oil - since the engine is so efficient, for example, and doesn't heat up very fast, and since with auto-stop it's often shutting off and restarting, in which case maybe warmer thinner oil would pump easier and circulate better... Is the 'bypass filter' the thing that prevents oil from quickly emptying from the filter, or maybe something else? If the Insight generally worked better with thinner, warmer oil, you'd then expect the valve-thing that prevents oil from quickly draining from the filter to be... well, first there, as in some filters don't have those and some do, but also maybe stronger, whatever it'd take to not drain so easily?...
 

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I’m not sure the places I’ve read and who I’ve heard this from but I read that the oil filter is bypassed at times from flowing through the filter. I thought for sure that can’t be right.
 
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