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Ooops... I got banned for saying I get 90 mpg!

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My handle is "farfel" (Seinfeld reference). I read the post, and figured this would be a great opportunity to educate these car folks about hybrids. Their response:

- First they called my 90 mpg claim "bs"...
- then they pulled my membership.



HA! Lesson learned:
- Be careful what you say to non-hybrid folks.
- They'd rather censor you than learn.
:lol:


EDIT: I humbly request all who read this go to that website, and tell them how WRONG they are.... i.e. tell them your MPG. Thanks.
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Bottom Line:

Even if I suddenly turned into a Saint, there's no opportunity for me to prove it. Yves won't allow it.
 

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I Want to see an UNMODDED Insight due a 96km trip at 117mpg, I will allow down to 110mpg for me to conceide on this issue

Sure My Insight can do 0-60 in 4 seconds if I add that Willie guys Turbo and a big shot of nos and maybe a Rocket Pack or two, But is that right to claim "Insight goes 0-60 in 4 seconds"
 

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Getshocked.ca said:
I Want to see an UNMODDED Insight due a 96km trip at 117mpg, I will allow down to 110mpg for me to conceide on this issue
You can see this next time I go to Toronto if you want. Maybe not 117MPG, but certainly in the high 90s (assuming good weather). Only change from factory was to set tire pressures to 50 PSI.
 
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Hi Getshocked.ca:

___You are a real piece of work. Probably 20% of this forums membership has achieved a > 100 mpg segment and there you are in your own little world saying it’s impossible. If you receive it even once, I receive most of the time in warmer weather. Here is a pic of my lmpg at the 58,880 mark after my fifth highest segment run. You make the call …



___Here is a segment from a few days later.



___And here is my personal best although I was at 117.5 when passing O’Hare and it started to rain on another segment a few days later. That day finished up at just 115.x mpg after driving in that mess for another 25 miles :(



___I have a gauge cluster pic of my first > 100 mpg segment on 03/25, my first 105.1 segment on 04/16, my first 112.5 mpg segment on 04/18 with multiple pics of 114’s, 115’s, 116’s and 117.2 mpg throughout the summer and early fall following. My personal favorite was the pic from 10/29 at 108.1 mpg as seen below. It was a fluke 70 degree day this late in the year for Chicago. A nice tail wind and our absolutely last warm day of the year. It was on our garbage RFG winter blend as well! The 102.x mpg run I had the other night in 40 degree temps was a nice one as well but I had a 10 - 15 miler pushing me 2/3 the way home and 102 mpg segments aren’t worth pics anymore ;) All of the pics aren’t very pretty and focused of course but I have them. If you want 7 full size gauge cluster pics of the 09/23 - 117.2 run at 400 + KB each, I can E-Mail to you and you can post it here for all to see once you find a place to host it.

___Here is that 108.1 mpg segment from 10/29 on our garbage RFG winter blend garbage mind you!



___I see you are backing away from your proclamations? Now it’s an un-modded Insight getting 117 mpg. Just look up Car and Drivers 2000 Insight fuel economy challenge if you want the details on that 121.7 mpg segment performed way back in early 2000. Here is the link for your review:

ROAD TEST: HOW WE WON THE INSIGHT FUEL-ECONOMY CHALLENGE. WITHOUT CHEATING. MUCH.

___If you haven’t installed the $10.00 worth of parts, spent 20 seconds to install them, and pressed up your tires to at least 50 #’s, you are foolish to tell others what they are not receiving in terms of fuel economy. My offer still stands so any time you want to lose $9,500, just say the word and I will be glad to take it off your hands. Cash speaks louder then anything else you have written so far this week.

PS: I don’t have the fastest Insight by far since that is not why I purchased it. I am proud to say I might have the slowest that achieves the highest fuel economy :D Either way, there are a few other Hypermiling Insight’s that can achieve this kind of fuel economy day in and day out. These belong to Rick Reese, Billy, Chisight, and possibly ElectricTroy although I have only seen ElectricTroy discuss the feats, not perform them so far. The lmpg speaks for itself.

___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___[email:2s0o60ay][email protected][/email:2s0o60ay]

 
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Hi ElectricTroy:

___You can see a few of the finer points in a thread called The Horror the absolute Horror … over at Greenhybrid. I never finished it off as there is still plenty to add in regards to multiple drafting techniques. The Insight is a very poor straight distance or close drafter if you haven’t already figured this out but it is a great traffic side drafter with a sea 18-wheelers whizzing by at 65 mph +. Rabbit and the Hare techniques, and hourly weather forecasting can be added to the list which was not discussed either. Mainly, it is picking out the right Insight to begin with (mine had an 80.x lmpg when I purchased it at 28,421 miles), drive w/ load, pay attention to your surroundings, anticipate everything, and never ever ever ever exceed the speed limits under any conditions. Leave home early instead.

___Come now, you used to own an Insight 5-speed that achieved these kinds of numbers. What was yours?

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
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Delta Flyer said:
Is someone on this thread trying very hard to match the profile described at > http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm? :D
http://hujiko.com/proxy/0A/uggc://zrzor ... ebprff.ugz

The Formal Explanation: "Antiprocess" is the preemptive recognition and marginalization of undesired information by the synergistic interplay of high-priority acquired mental defense mechanisms.

A Very Informal Explanation: They're not being annoying on purpose.

That's me. I'll have to work on this.
 

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xcel said:
___Come now, you used to own an Insight 5-speed that achieved these kinds of numbers. What was yours?
Nothing so exotic as yours. I just drove slow (<55) and held the Instant MPG Bar at or near 100.
 

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Well I can see how some people on these forums are a bit skeptical about how some of you Insighter's on these forums can get up to 100 mpg and over, like xcel. I see why they are skeptical because you can easily fake 100 mpg and over, for example you can get 68 mpg on 1 tank and go and fill up your car while still having 68 mpg, and by adding on to 68 mpg you can then drive it some more and keep filling it up until your mpg read 100, or over, this is assuming that you can reset your mpg gauge. If you do not reset you mpg guage then you can easily fake 100 mpg and over, and say that you got it all on 1 tank, when in reality you got it on 2 or 4, or however many times you filled up to keep adding on to your mpg to reach 100 mpg. Like I said before, "I do not even own a Insight and I beleive that 90 mpg is possible." Although what I have shown above is one way that you can fake it, that is assuming that you can reset your mpg guage, after each tank. The only real way that you can get 1oo mpg is to actually get it on 1 tank and reset your mpg each time you fill up. Plus you can tell how many mpg you are going to get on 1 tank by reseting one of the trip odometers with each tank, so you can calculate from the tank mpg and odometer reading how far your going to get.
 
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Hi Chris:

___Your explanation makes no sense. You can increase range that way but you cannot increase the FCD’s fuel economy shown that way.

___How the brainless wonders around the various forums can challenge what has been documented from Insight owners around the world for almost ½ of a decade is beyond me? Unfortunately, there are now these same wonders in this very forum who have seen the documentation again and again but prefer to say the documented dash pics, spreadsheets, and fuel receipts are fabrications. This isn’t a belief or claim so please stop insinuating as such.

Little Red Beauty

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
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Chris doesn't own an Insight, so he doesn't understand. As for the "others", they have already concluded that hybrids are junk, and they won't allow themselves to see the facts. Their brains reject the facts in order to avoid cognitive dissonance.



CHRIS:

Look at the pic below. Notice the left has the MPG and the right has the MILES. These two numbers are tied together, so there's no way to "fake it". The driver of this Insight absolutely, positively scored 116.6 mpg over 95.6 miles.

 

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Yeah I see your point ElectricTroy. So then what is the deal with the mpg guage, does it reset when you fill up or what? Well now we all know that this is fake.

 

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Chris said:
Yeah I see your point ElectricTroy. So then what is the deal with the mpg guage, does it reset when you fill up or what? Well now we all know that this is fake.
That is just a picture of the display "booting" up when you first turn on an Insight...nothing to do with being fake...they all do that.

The MPG gauge does not automatically reset after filling up. There are 3 different guagues (settings) to use. There is the Lifetime MPG (lmpg) and 2 trip meters (A and B). For me, I reset one of the trip meters after every fill up so I know my MPG for that specific tank of gas.
 

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Chris, Troy is right about the gauges. There are two sets that record mpg. One's the trip meter (there are actually two of these). You can reset either, as I do each time I fill the tank, and they will record miles and mpg from that point. The other's the "lifetime" mpg counter, which can be reset with a little more difficulty.

Now you can fake a high-mpg trip segment with these - just e.g. reset it at the top of 7000 ft Donner Pass, and drive the hundred miles or so to sea-level Sacramento. The question, though, is why so many of the people here would bother. I mean, it's not like someone's giving out prizes, you know :)

Likewise, even if you discount the few that are getting 90+ mpg, there are many more of us that get in the mid-70s or so, which numbers people on that forum also claimed were... what shall we say? "somewhat exaggerated", maybe?

It does depend a lot on the way you drive. I bought my 2000 5-spd about 18 months ago. Had about 50K miles, and LMPG around 50. I reset it a couple of months later (after I got the manual that said how), and over about 12K miles have averaged a bit over 75 mpg. That is, as I said earlier, without driving particularly slowly (I aim at about the 80th percentile, so that there'll always be someone faster for the cops to pick off :)), and in mountains instead of on the flat. So yes, I think if I moved and drove slower, I could join the 90+ club.
 

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About the Life Time Miles Per Gallon.

I am not implying that someone here had done that. It is very easy to fix. Like Chris almost had it:

Just like anybody can have on a good drive (back wind, 5th gear at 35 mph, slow downgrade) of lets say, 100 MPG on a distance of 100 miles (any distance will work);

he then just needs to reset the LMPG prior the drive and do the drive above. At the start of the drive, the LMPG is 0 and at the end of the drive it will be 100 LMPG for whatever is the total miles, 60K for example.
 

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Yeah I can see 90, but I saw this one guy on this site I went to got 134 mpg, now that is BS. If this car can really get up to a 100 mpg than lets see someone put a camera in their car and prove it.
 
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