[wannab]

I was going through some of my favourites links - and saw this story - which I thought would be good to bring here!

Project Insight: A real world 1,000 mile range electric vehicle

Anybody read this before? I know there is one or more people who have made their insights an electric only vehicle!

And - for max GAS mileage - see: Insight is a winner

Robert

 

[Guest]

Hi Wannab:

___Max mileage? The English record was bested by Rick Reese maybe 3 years ago and then again in June of 04 …

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/504 ... d-Tank.jpg

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes

 

[Mike Dabrowski 2000]

Rick was driving at a steady highway speed of ~50MPH, with no stops. From DC to Greenville SC.
It is quite another thing to drive.
"Following the coastline of England, Wales and Scotland "
The only direct way to compare one car/driver to another is to drive the same route in my opinion. Both feats are great examples of Hypermiling, but are like comparing Apples and oranges.

 

[james]

But you also have to figure that since that drive was done in Britain, they're probably quoting the mpg figures in Imperial gallons. Convert to US gallons, and it's only about 82-83 mpg.

 

[b1shmu63]

True! I also suspect that 82 to 83 is awesome for following the coastline.

 

[Mike Dabrowski 2000]

Both records were well earned

 

[Guest]

Hi Mike:

It is quite another thing to drive.
"Following the coastline of England, Wales and Scotland" …

See the OP’s post: “And – for max GAS mileage - see …”

___103 miles/Imperial or US gallon for a max mileage run? I wouldn’t call that a record of any kind myself and it would be a disservice to Insight’ers everywhere not to know what these little wonders are actually worth. If it was Imperial gallons, that max mileage run was bested by not only the Little Beauty’s Chicago based - year round lmpg on E10 based RFG but 3 other Insighter’s who I can name by name with higher lmpg’s! Apples to Oranges? How many miles of that Wales based Insight’s run was in -2 to 30 degree F temps? In any kind of snow storm? Torrential downpours? 20 + miles taking 3 + hours in Chicago traffic nightmares? I will give you an answer to all of those questions. 0 miles. So what Apples to Oranges records are you speaking of? Rick’s 104 and 105 mpg tanks? The tank above or the many others like it from the summer of 04? There are even Prius II’s and HCH’s that have destroyed that Wales based Insight’s one off FE run let alone the multitude of Insight’s here in the States just driving back and forth to work all summer long.

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes

 

[b1shmu63]

Easy now Wayne. Guiness called it a record and that's good for me. I seem to recall that it broke the previous VW Diesel record by a good margin.

I've managed over 110 MPG US on a few occasions, I have always defended your achievements, and I've driven in England and Wales. Until someone takes the time, makes the effort, and pays the price to break it, this particular record stands.

 

[wannab]

MPG vs M/kw

Lots of info here - but - has anybody got some more leads on Totaly Electric Insights? (Initial Thread point!) Robert

 

[Mike Dabrowski 2000]

Wayne
No one is questioning your or anyone elses accomplishments as a Hypermiler, but I have driven in England and Wales as well, and as I said before no two feats of hypermiling can be readily compared just based on the final number, as the traffic/terrain/ number of stops/ average speed, all need to be considered.
The Greenfield MA to Saratoga NY trip over the Berkshires at within 10 MPH of the speed limit by Nemystic, Rick Reese's trips between Greenville and DC, or your commuting through the winter/city in the Chicago area, all deserve a lot of respect.
Maybe instead of Apples and Oranges, I should have said Macintosh Apples compared to Granny Smith's
Lets get back to the thread subject.
With enough money, and todays batteries, the 1000 mile Insight EV should be possible.

 

[clett]

With enough money, and todays batteries, the 1000 mile Insight EV should be possible.

Yup. I was actually approached by a company over here in the UK who wanted to put my proposal into action. I put together a big technical file, all based around Sanyo 18650s, for them to peruse which they were very excited about but before anything came of it the project got pulled!

Fortunately the 1,000 mile range lithium EV project has now been taken on by Kokam, who are putting together a 300 kWh (!) pack for the job. :shock: 8)

 

[Rick Reece]

If the engine/battery in mine ever dies I would consider an EV conversion or different battery pack but it would have to be following the instructions of a conversion someone else successfully completed. Similar to the plans Jack had for the turbo installation. In regards to mpg records I don't think you can compare the numbers directly as there are too many factors that effect the outcome. I believe Car and Driver logged a 125+ mpg trip drafting a specially outfitted SUV. ITo have comparable numbers the cars would have to drive the same route under the same conditions. (weather, min time to complete circuit, etc). I think the tour de Sol is trying to do that but even last years mpg values were not directly comparable due to the different routes and tank top off methods.

Have fun, RIck

 

[james]

"No one is questioning your or anyone elses accomplishments as a Hypermiler, but I have driven in England and Wales as well, and as I said before no two feats of hypermiling can be readily compared just based on the final number..."

Haven't driven there, but I've done a good deal of biking, and it does go up and down a lot, and around curves, and so on. Not the easiest sort of road on which to do hypermiling

But it strikes me that if someone in Britain has an Insight with MIMA, a couple of weeks to spare, and a desire to get their name in Guiness, then here's their chance.

 

[Fred]

Just viewed that article you made mention of ... Very Interesting!

Fred

 

[Mike Dabrowski 2000]

I have had several inquiries about MIMA from guys in the UK, but so far MIMA only exist in the US and Canada.