[vbrtrmn]

So, I haven't been taking very good of my car, mainly due to being broke for awhile. I have an early 2000 model JHMZE1372YT000453, not the earliest here, but pretty damn early

I had three Recalls fixed, the IMA system replaced, and I'm having the Catalatic Converter replaced on Tuesday.

All I can say is thank gawd I have under 80,000 miles on the vehicle. If not the IMA replacement would have cost over $7000, and the Catalitic Converter would have cost over $550; both including labor. If you have around 65,000 miles and are having ANY battery issues, take your car in ASAP! If I had hit 80,000 miles, I would have sent the car to the scrap yard.

 

[Armin]

Please tell us more!

What happened? I guess the IMA light came on. But how did the car behave before that? What diagnostic codes were found? What does that bulletin say that you mentioned in the other thread?

Inquiring minds want to know!

Thanks!

 

[sputnik]

Yes, please do tell more about what was going on w/ your car. What were the battery and catalytic converter symptoms? :?:

My insight just had an IMA battery and BCM-MCM replacement at 23K... http://www.insightcentral.net/forum/vie ... php?t=2378 Thankfully Honda was great about honoring the IMA warranty and you are correct, the cost would have been staggering (over $4000 in my case) if it had been otherwise.

BTW, what 3 recalls were done on your 2000? Honda Owner's Link lists ECM and Headlight recalls but I'm not aware of a third one.

I've had my insight just shy of three months, so there is a lot to learn. Thanks for educating us newbies and best wishes for smooth sailing ahead.

 

[Aaron Cake]

Yes, I'm curious as well. I may be facing a cat failure as well.

What codes and symptoms have head to this?

 

[JeffKinTN]

Our cat(s) failed at 78K miles. We had a P1420 code and Honda took it in and replaced the Cats under warranty. Parts and labor would have come to $3200.00 or so according to the invoice.

 

[Insightful Trekker]

FYI:

Majestic lists the NOx converter for $819.55

http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/aut ... HAUST+PIPE

For some reason they don't list the primary CAT but it should be comperable and a bit less AFAI remember. So how your invoice totals to over $3,000.00 is a mystery :shock: :!:
There's also a "kit" that includes both CATS, gaskets and hardware. Useful for high salt areas where lots of corrosion will require all the related parts to be replaced anyway.

If your going to be paying any type of repair bill in the future I'd shop somewhere else. Looks like their markup is HUGE.

Which area dealership was it if you don't mind me asking?

HTH!

 

[Aaron Cake]

P1420...Nope, don't have one of those (yet). I do have P0420, which points to the other cat.

$3200 is a LOT of money. Just to give you an idea, if corrosion is not severe, the cat replacement job is about 1.5-2 hours.

 

[JeffKinTN]

Our cat(s) failed at 78K miles. We had a P1420 code and Honda took it in and replaced the Cats under warranty. Parts and labor would have come to $3200.00 or so according to the invoice.

Well, I've becomce a big a$$ liar...... Sorry. I wasn't reading the workorder right, or I cannot read at all.

The code was in fact P0420. We got the "Converter Kit" installed. Parts:

Converter Kit: $1324.87
Exhaust Man ifold Gasket: $3.42
Pre Chamb Gasket: $8.00

Rusty Wallace Honda. Sorry about MY confusion. We also had the headlamp recall done as well as the parking brake recall.

The 3200 that stuck in my head was a mystery..... I'm a zero.

 

[Insightful Trekker]

Thanks for the follow-up :!:

Didn't think your mistake was intentional, but though the amount was sky high :!:

I'll sleep a bit better knowing the when my turn comes the CATs aren't that expensive :shock:

 

[vbrtrmn]

Okay, sorry I was out for awhile, here's the info (I have 2 days of trips, I will post them later today)

Work Performed at: Fairfax Honda, Fairfax, Virginia

Year: 2000
Color: Silver
Insight VIN: JHMZE1372YT000453

I'm not sure what the "J#" codes are (the first is obviously the job number, not sure what the codes are) , the Tech codes are the technician identification number, I believe. I'm including everything for completeness.

Dealer Trip #1 - 10 Feb 2005
Total Estimate: $547.80 (+tax)
Total Cost: $547.20

------------------------------------------------------------------------
J# 1 12H0ZCHECK     CHECK ENGINE LIGHT     TECH(S): 228381     INTERNAL
     Customer States: Check Engine Light is on verified customer's
     complaint and found multiple DTC's stored in the ECU.
     DTC
     P1601 IMA System Malfunction
     P1164 HO2 Range Problem
     P1259 VTECH System Failure
     P1447 Battery Module Deteriation
     Special ordered needed parts as per bulletin 04-028 IMA System
     Indicator On.
     Customer will need to return with all keys to the vehicle.
     P1259 VTECH System Failure is due to lack of oil.
     Maintenance is required on this vehicle.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
J# 2 01H0Z          MAINTENANCE            TECH(S): 228381     INTERNAL
     Customer states IMA Light is on. Please check and advise.
     See job one for more details.
     No repairs made at this time.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
J# 3+96H0ZCOMBO     COMBO LIGHT SWITCH     TECH(S): 228381     WARRANTY
     Customer states please perform any current safety recals
     as per AHM
     Found Bulletin 04-015 Combination Light Switch Update
     Replaced the Combination Light Switch and Red/Wht wire
     in the headlight wire harness (Relearn cruise control
     if needed, labor time add .3)...728103/.7/5CN/P23

     Parts
          1x  35012-S3Y-306  SET.COMB 35999
------------------------------------------------------------------------
J# 4+96H0Z041       INSIGHT BRAKE LEVER    TECH(S): 228381     WARRANTY
     Customer states please perform any current safety recals
     as per AHM
     Lever OK/Update Preformed
     Installed Parking Brake Lever per Service Bulletin
     03-030/412108/0.3/5BK
     
     Parts
          1x  47105-S3Y-033ZA  LEVER *** 47100
------------------------------------------------------------------------
J# 5+96H0Z          CHECK FOR UPDATES     TECH(S): 228381     WARRANTY
     Customer states please perform any current safety recals
     as per AHM
     Found DTC P1164 HO2 S1 lean range problem. Found recall
     02-081 which is the primary repare to this DTC.
     Followed bulletin 02-081 and replaced the ECM. Preformed
     idle learn procedure and tested ok at this time.
     Complete 122124/1.0/5BL/L78
     
     Parts
          1x  37828-PHM-345  CONTROL M 37820
------------------------------------------------------------------------
J# 6+01H0Z60000     60000 MILE SERVICE     TECH(S): 228381     265.12
     Customer requests 60000 mile service.
     
     Complete 60000 Mile Service
     
     PARTS   QTY   FP-NUMBER        DESCRIPTION       UNIT PRICE   TOTAL
     -----   ---   --------------   --------------    ----------   -----
     JOB#6    1    17220-PHM-000    ELEMENT, 17220    32.36        32.36
     JOB#6    1    PK30K                              *****        *****
     JOB#6    1     PC-HBC265       CLEANER, 08732     6.10         6.10
     JOB#6    1     94109-14000     WASHER, D 90400    0.42         0.42
     JOB#6    1     44K             BG ADDITI         19.50        19.50
     JOB#6    1     15400-PLM-A02   FILTER, 0 15400    7.58         7.58
     JOB#6    1     08798-9008      FLUID, BR S8740    5.30         5.30
     JOB#6    1     000016          OIL TRMNT          9.95         9.95
     JOB#6    3    08798-9016       FULID, MT 08200    4.81        14.43
     JOB#6    3    08798-9022       OIL, MOTO OILXX    3.59        10.47
                                       JOB#6 TOTAL PARTS          106.11
                                       JOB#6 TOTAL LABOR & PARTS  371.23
------------------------------------------------------------------------
J# 7+08H0ZCSS     COOLING SYSTEM SERV     TECH(S): 228381     96.67
     Technician found coolant to be low and dirty.
     The technician found the coolant to be week and dirty
     performed cooling system flush.
     
     PARTS   QTY   FP-NUMBER        DESCRIPTION       UNIT PRICE   TOTAL
     -----   ---   --------------   --------------    ----------   -----
     JOB#7    1    0L999-9011       COOLANT OL999     13.28        13.28
                                       JOB#6 TOTAL PARTS           13.28
                                       JOB#6 TOTAL LABOR & PARTS  109.95
------------------------------------------------------------------------
     PARTS   CODE   DESCRIPTION                TOTAL
     -----   ----   ------------------------   -----
     JOB#A    DE    DIAGNOSTIC EQUIPMENT FEE    1.00
     JOB#A    05    HAZARDOUS WASTE DISPOSAL   15.00
     JOB#A    04    SHOP SUPPLIES              43.40
                                 TOTAL - MISC  59.40
------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[vbrtrmn]

Sorry to put this in another reply the first one was a bit long, thought it may be more apropriate to follow up with a second, rather than editing the other.

After getting the vehicle back from the above work, the heater no longer worked, thankfully it wasn't too cold that week. Per a post about this issue Heater does not blow hot air, I suggested that he check for air in the coolant, initially he thought I had been smoking the crack, but for Insightful Trekker air bubble suggestions, thank you; you were correct.

Dealer Trip #2 - 17 Feb 2005
Total Estimate: $0.00
Total Cost: $0.00

------------------------------------------------------------------------
J# 1 12H0ZCHECK     CHECK ENGINE LIGHT     TECH(S): 228381     WARRANTY
     Customer states Check Engine Light is on.
     SOP Parts are in.
     Tested and found DTC P1447 Battery Module Deteriation Found
     Bulletin 04-028 and replaced battery module, battery
     condition monitor, and replaced motor control module
     as per service bulletin...
     Reset all DTC's as per service bulletin 04-028 corrective
     action and instructions and test drove vehicle for 7 miles.
     Foun primary hard DTC's for this repair have not come back.
     Did find temporary DTC for P0420 stored in teh ECU
     catalytic deteriation, special ordered catalytic converter.
     118041/1.2/03214/03205...118116/.5/03214/03204...
     118115/.5/03214/03205

     PARTS   QTY   FP-NUMBER         DESCRIPTION
     -----   ---   ---------------   ---------------
     JOB#1    1    1K000-PHM-060     CONTROL U 1K999
     JOB#1    1    1K100-PHM-A01     CONTROL U 1K999
     JOB#1    1    1D010-PHM-999RM
------------------------------------------------------------------------
J# 2 08H0Z          COOLING SYSTSEM        TECH(S): 228381     INTERNAL
     Customer states the heat no longer blows hot. Please Advise
     Found air in the system causing coolant to not flow properly
     released air from cooling system and tested ok at this time.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[vbrtrmn]

Finally I got my Cat Converter replaced.

Dealer Trip #3 - 22 Feb 2005
Total Estimate: $0.00
Total Cost: $0.00

------------------------------------------------------------------------
J# 1 12H0ZCHECK     CHECK ENGINE LIGHT     TECH(S): 228381     WARRANTY
     Customer States: Check Engine Light is on
     Please install special ordered cat..part here
     After test drive from last visit. Check Engine Light came on
     with DTC P0420 Catalytic Detereation. Catalytic Converter
     has failed. Performed system specifications check and found
     catalytic convert to be out of range.
     Replaced Catalytic Converter and tested for other DTC's
     none found at this time.  Complete...311135/.5/01102
     223505/.6/03214

     PARTS   QTY   PART NUMBER       DESCRIPTION
     -----   ---   ---------------   ---------------
     JOB#1    1    18115-PHM-004     GASKET, E 18115
     JOB#1    1    18393-SH3-S00     GASKET, P 91810
     JOB#1    1    06180-PHM-A00     CONVERTER 18160
------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[Rick Reece]

I appreciate the comprehensive reports on your maintenance. I am sure others will find the DTC codes and corrective actions extremely helpful in the future. I just hope its not me. Have fun, RIck

 

[Armin]

Great report

Hey, vbrtrmn,

Thanks for the detailed report! This will be great ammo when others get into the same situation.

Thanks again!

 

[vbrtrmn]

No problem, glad to help.

This message may be more apropriate for: "Problems and Troubleshooting"

 

[The Citrus Smoothie]

Good point. Topic moved. Thanks