The Worst Power Windows Ever!
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___Do a search under Rick for “Shin Etsu” without the quotes. It will cure you of any problem you might be having with your window lifts …
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___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
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They just need greased. My passinger side window was moving in slow motion until Honda greased it. Now it's fine.
Maybe they were not greased properly before you bought it. Mine started giving me trouble about six months after I bought it, acting just as you described, slow, weak, the motor straining to get the window up, until finally the window stayed down and wouldn't go back up. Get it greased, that may be all that's wrong with it. I'm sure Honda will do it at no charge.Resist said:
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I don't find them to be weak at all. Their comparable with those found in my mom's Olds Royal, and our new(ish) Intrepid. But my passenger side definitly needs greasing.
What annoys me is that the AutoDown function is TOTALLY useless without an AutoUp function.
What annoys me is that the AutoDown function is TOTALLY useless without an AutoUp function.
I couldn't agree more :!:Aaron Cake said:
Since the problem seems to occur consistently on the passenger side window, I wonder if it is a wiring problem. That is, perhaps the guage of the wire going across to the window from the switches on the drivers side is too small resulting in a voltage drop. This could be confirmed by measuring the voltage across the motor when the window is being raised. :?:
If this is the case, putting in a larger motor with a larger current draw would actually make the problem worse.
If this is the case, putting in a larger motor with a larger current draw would actually make the problem worse.
It's nothing to do with the window motor itself, it's the fact that the run channels loose their lubricity over time and need replenished. I don't know of any other manufacturer who seems to have this problem, but the S2000 is also effected by this design quirk. Greasing the run channels can be a bit of a nuisance on occasion, but it's really not all that big of a deal. The reason the drivers window seems to slow first is probably because it's used much more often than the passenger side window.
Hrm, even if the lack of power window power was due to design... how is that a "slip-up" by Honda's engineers. Power windows is a fairly binary characteristic - either it works, or it doesn't. More powerful power windows would cost more and provide no real benefit.
Well a more powerful motor would give it more beef in it's travel up and down. Currently both windows on my Insight and others I have tested at dealerships, are slow and seem to be straining to go up or down. Even the window motor noise sounds weak.
I have owned Toyota's, Chevrolet's, Nissan's and Mazda's with power windows and none have had this slow of a power window system.
I will give the lube thing a try but really don't have hope of that much of an improvement.
I have owned Toyota's, Chevrolet's, Nissan's and Mazda's with power windows and none have had this slow of a power window system.
I will give the lube thing a try but really don't have hope of that much of an improvement.
auto-up
I don't know why that stuck in my head over the years, but somehow, it did. In theory it shouldn't be a problem in a car that's not designed to carry children anyway (but maybe if Fido was in the car with you...)
As for the power window motors, I've find them to be just fine (feel a bit like McFly in the DeLorean, in fact) going through the not-Starbuck's coffee drive-thru or talking to people out walking in idle stop, but then again, I've never owned a car with them before.
I think it was Consumer Reports who described auto-down as convenient, but auto-up as dangerous, since "...the window could easily grope around a child's neck."bfivelover said:
I don't know why that stuck in my head over the years, but somehow, it did. In theory it shouldn't be a problem in a car that's not designed to carry children anyway (but maybe if Fido was in the car with you...)
As for the power window motors, I've find them to be just fine (feel a bit like McFly in the DeLorean, in fact) going through the not-Starbuck's coffee drive-thru or talking to people out walking in idle stop, but then again, I've never owned a car with them before.
Re: auto-up
Honda put auto-up on the 2003 Element. The switches are designed such that if a canine foot or human hand sets down on it, the window will go down. It's not the standard rocker switch.
The window speed on our Insight seems equal to the Element, maybe not as robust sounding though. I bet they made weight concessions like many other components.
You are right about the CU article. That is for cars with the standard rocker switch.jsanford said:
Honda put auto-up on the 2003 Element. The switches are designed such that if a canine foot or human hand sets down on it, the window will go down. It's not the standard rocker switch.
The window speed on our Insight seems equal to the Element, maybe not as robust sounding though. I bet they made weight concessions like many other components.
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You could always provide a load detection mechanism on the motor so that if the window encounters resistance, the window retracts. Or just make the AutoUp switch much harder to accidentally press (maybe a little top lockout button that must be pressed to move the switch).
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