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>> Seems that car thieves have found yet another way to
>> steal your car or truck without any effort at all. The
>> car thieves peer through the windshield of your car or
>> truck, write down the VIN # from the label on the dash,
>> go to the local car dealership and request a duplicate
>> key based on the VIN #.
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>> My friend didn't believe this e-mail, so she called a
>> dealer and pretended she had lost her ke ys. They told her
>> to just bring in the VIN #, and they would cut her one on
>> the spot, & she could order the keyless device if she wanted.
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>> The Car Dealer's Parts Department will make a duplicate key
>> from the VIN #, and collect payment from the thief who will
>> return to your car. He doesn't have to break in, do any damage
>> to the vehicle, or draw attention to himself.
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>> All he has to do is walk up to your car, insert the key and
>> off he goes to a local Chop Shop with your vehicle. You don't
>> believe it? It IS that easy. To avoid this from happening to you,
>> simply put some tape (electrical tape, duct tape or medical tape)
>> across the VIN Metal Label located on the dash board. By law, you
>> cannot remove the VIN #, but you can cover it so it can't be
>> viewed through the windshield by a car thief.
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>> I urge you to forward this to your friends before some other c ar
>> thief steals another car or truck. Slip a 3 x 5 card over the VIN
>> NUMBER.
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>> IF YOU DON'T DRIVE. PASS THIS INFORMATION ON TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS.
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Good information for older Honda's and other cars not equipped with the latest anti theft systems. :)

But ALL Insight's are factory equipped with Honda's immobilizer system.

There is an additional interlock required to start the car. Unless the key blank has an electronically coded chip that is ALSO matched to the Insight's "accepted codes the car won't start. :)

The older versions of this system had various temporary unlock "tricks" to enable a limited amount of restarts. The newer (Insight's version) do not.

HTH! :)
 

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For the record I am not aware of any Insight that has ever been stolen - afterall it would be a bit distinctive! :)

Hopefully no-one will be able to correct me.
 

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hahahahA!!!!

i wanna see a dude steal my car and AUTO-STOP ENGAGES!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
 

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I only got one key with my Insight. I was able to have my existing key cloned at the dealership, vin number required for records of course. They said they can only clone a key, if you have no key they had to plug in to the car and program it to recognize a new key.
 

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Industry wide the immobilizer is good for a 50% reduction in auto thefts. The fact that the Insight is so rare probably makes it a less likely target. There was a much talked about article circulating at my work, deals with insurance problems when an immobilizer equipped car is stolen:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.08/carkey.html
 

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I understand a crook could get a key made but it won't start the car but what if I lost my keys, how would I be able to get a replacement? Obviously I wouldn't be able to drive the car to a dealership.
 

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first of all, yes you can cut the key purely with VIN number--I've done it. Second of all, the car does have an immobilizer, but any key you get from the dealership will have been programmed to the car. I just did it--so I know it is possible.

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duplicating keys

When I bought my Insight (13 days, 4 hrs, 38 mins ago - approx :D ) I asked about replacing lost/missing keys. The dealership said they would need the VIN# AND proof of ownership (registration/title/etc) - if they didn't already have record of ownership. In addition, if an original key couldn't be provided they would need the 4 digit code assigned to the orgininal keys - otherwise, they would have to reset the onboard system.

Just hope I'm never faced with doing this! To be safe I've stored the 4 digit code in 3 places. I would also hope all dealerships had a policy of requiring proof of ownership in addition to the VIN!
 

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Yes there are key "cloners" available that can duplicate the _existing_ keys IMA code, no further steps required. Some key specialty stores / dealerships now have them.

And the unlock code for the IMA to allow any other IMA coded and cut to match key to operate can be retrived by any Honda dealer by VIN _through_ Honda's DCS system. AFAIK you'd still need the Honda HDS system to complete the IMA programming.

But as a thief only interested in making a fast buck are you going to go to all this trouble and leave such a long trail of evidence :?:

Smashed windows and hacked dashboards to extract a nice aftermarket radio is a real threat. But theft of the whole car :?: Harder to imagine.
 

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dhu1 said:
Second of all, the car does have an immobilizer, but any key you get from the dealership will have been programmed to the car. I just did it--so I know it is possible.
Yes but how would a dealership know the correct immobilizer key to give me if I lost my key? If it is based on just the VIN, then a crook could get the right key to start my car too. And then the immobilizer system would be pointless.
 

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I'm no expert, but don't most thefts occur for either:

1. short term joyriding
2. chopping the car into parts and selling them?

Going to all the trouble to get a key made seems like a waste for joyriding and with the Insight being so limited in production, the market for stolen parts has to be pretty small.

Jim
 

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Resist said:
dhu1 said:
Second of all, the car does have an immobilizer, but any key you get from the dealership will have been programmed to the car. I just did it--so I know it is possible.
Yes but how would a dealership know the correct immobilizer key to give me if I lost my key? If it is based on just the VIN, then a crook could get the right key to start my car too. And then the immobilizer system would be pointless.
Resist,

Its not "based" on VIN, but must be looked up by VIN, THEN the onboard immobilizer electronics must be "told" to accept this new keys code. And for a new key with a different code the system requires the Honda DCS to do the talking.

A thief going to this kind of trouble and _exposure_ might get away with your Insight, but I doubt the rest of us will have anything to worry about (he'll be caught shortly).
 

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[quote="Insightful Trekker]Its not "based" on VIN, but must be looked up by VIN, THEN the onboard immobilizer electronics must be "told" to accept this new keys code.[/quote]And again.....how is this done if I can't drive my car to a dealership?
 

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1) The key is "cloned" both by cut _AND_ code (a potential thief would need an _working_ key for the "target" Insight if this approach is going to work).

2) Key is cut to match by VIN look-up. Requires access to a Honda DCS and download from Honda's database. Immobilizer unlock code is done the same way. A Honda HDS (computer communication tool) is also required to be connected and using the immobilizer unlock code can program acceptance of a new key code.

Yes you can paint scenairos that a "thief" _"could"_ pull it off. And most people agree that most thieves are in it for a fast buck. So why target such difficult quarry when hunting other species is sooo much easier :?: You've left a trail of evidence that any officer on the force could follow with their eyes closed. :!: :shock: ;)

IMO what's befitting this "arguement" is an old phrase:

"What the mind of man can conceal, the mind of man can reveal."

Which "applies" to _ANY_ type of security "system". It just depends how "bad" whats' being protected is wanted.

Should the Insight's value hit $1,000,000 IMO it won't be safe parked without an armed guard escort. :p


Meanwhile back in the real world...

Insighters are happily going about their individual business, not worring about the possibility of their beloved Insights being a target of a thief since its factory equipped with Honda's immobilizer system.

I'm through now. ;)
 

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And the fact some are manual transmissions might help too.

I remember no too long ago a car thief was caught trying to steal a sports car. What did him in was that he kept stalling the vehicle when he tried to shift gears. He later admitted he did not know how to drive a manual. :oops:

Makes you wonder why he attempted to steal it in the 1st place. But I suppose if he was smart he would not have been out stealing cars for a living. :roll:
 
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