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I have been driving my insight all over the U.S. for the past few weeks and have yet to see another Insight. Where are all of you hiding?

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Other than pre arranged meetings I have only seen two other Insights in two years! I'm surrounded by wildlife and pickup trucks. :)

Welcome to the forum. Did you buy your Insight recently?
 

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Yea, when we first got our 2000, we would see one or two every once in a while and then I just stopped seeing them. A couple weeks ago we took a trip down from Jax, FL to Tampa and saw 2 in one day :shock: - doing the 80+ mph draft 8) . There's just too few of us these days.
 

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There you all are!

I actually just purchased my first Insight in July and I love this car. I used to have a 91 civic SI that I put 368,000 miles on before I gave it to a friend, and this is a worthy replacement.

I have only seen 1 Insight on the road in all of my driving. I wonder if most people use them mostly for commuting and not for highway driving. I do get a lot of looks though in this vehicle.

The first thing I did after obtaining this vehicle was to install cruise control, which was followed by a decrease in fuel economy. I wonder if that has to do with the fact that the cruise doesn't seem to push the accelerator down far enough at times to allow the electric assist to kick in.

I wish I saw more hybrid vehicles out there. I thought that I was going to sacrifice power and acceleration with this car, but it doesn't seem to be anywhere near what I thought.

I hope more people purchase these wonderful machines and that we can someday get 150 mpg plus.


This is wonderful that we Insight owners have this forum.

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Re: There you all are!

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The first thing I did after obtaining this vehicle was to install cruise control, which was followed by a decrease in fuel economy. I wonder if that has to do with the fact that the cruise doesn't seem to push the accelerator down far enough at times to allow the electric assist to kick in.

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Maximum MPG comes from limiting assist (think of it as an electric supercharger). Most likely your cruise is being too aggressive in throttle response.

If you drive in the flat lands and traffic will allow it and your cruise uses a bead chain to connect to the throttle, try lenghtening the chain one bead at a time until your happy with the compromise.

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Cruise control also doesn't take into account the road ahead. Most Insight owners will allow their car to slow down a bit on a slight incline if there is a decline right after it (like on overpasses). Cruise control will use the assist to get you over the overpass and then back off on throttle (but probably not completely) on the way down. I am able to keep my MPG the same all the way over and end up going faster than I was before. You wll never get the same MPG while using a cruise control.
 

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that stinks

That really stinks, because I thought it would actually help increase fuel mileage by keeping a constant speed.
 

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That really stinks, because I thought it would actually help increase fuel mileage by keeping a constant speed.
Close, if you substitute the word load for speed in the above sentence then you'd be on target.

Let the speed vary with terrain. Adding some slack in your cruise control's chain or cable is usually all that is needed. On looong trips when driver fatigue sets in your cruise will "beat" you every time.
 

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Cruise only helps mileage with a driver who is constantly accelerating due to driver error/inattention.

Constant speed due to hills, as described by kapps, is bad for mileage, mmkay.
 

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Every weekend I compete in autoslalom races with Opal and her Insight! :D
 
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How does the best mileage come from limiting assist?
Hi Kelleyd:

___Because the ICE still charges the pack and in doing so, it is not free in the least … Some regen is basically free vs. std pad against drum or disc but only at ~ 30% efficiency and only for that short period when you actually do use regen vs. the mechanical binders. The best efficiency imho is no pack assist and the subsequent charge which is harmful to ones maximum fuel economy. The 5-speed Insight is good for 12.5 seconds to 60 without assist. If you need that extra 2 seconds, by all means use it but you most certainly will not receive the fuel economy the Insight is actually capable of when doing so.

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
___[email:32g1bpt3][email protected][/email:32g1bpt3]
 

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If you need that extra 2 seconds, by all means use it but you most certainly will not receive the fuel economy the Insight is actually capable of when doing so.
OK, that pertains to jack rabbit starts, but surely the assist has other uses that benefit mileage such as on hills where the batteries can be recharged on the downhill side after helping the gas engine go up.

If it is bad to use assist, why do they bother making hybrids at all?
 

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b1shmu63 wrote "Other than pre arranged meetings".

I was very glad to meet "b1shmu63" the last Friday. Hello Kip!

I find it hard to beleive that from all the Insight owners, only a few does know or contribute to sites like this one. It seems that most did not do a 'google search of "Honda Insight" '

I only saw 3 Insights (else the meetings, Hello Christian and Tony!) on the road in 4 years. 1 red and two grey.

Writting this, I reallized why I received from 2000 to now, the "What car is this?"
 

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I'm in TN....I've seen 2 so far here in murfreesboro
a 2000 and a silver one. I've never seen any on my roadtrips or vactions.
 

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silver one

I saw a silver one pass me on the road near my house. I was SHOCKED. Who was visiting the mtns of NC this weekend? :wink:
 
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Hi Ethicalpaul:

ethicalpaul said:
OK, that pertains to jack rabbit starts, but surely the assist has other uses that benefit mileage such as on hills where the batteries can be recharged on the downhill side after helping the gas engine go up.

If it is bad to use assist, why do they bother making hybrids at all?
___Assist is to make our little beauties 1.0 L ICE run like there is a 1.3 L ICE under the hood. IMA also acts as the balance shaft given the design of the ICE w/ IMA system so you cannot really do without it. The pack simply isn’t large enough to do much else besides assist. If you could give up the Hybridization of the Insight, it might squeeze another 2 or 3 mpg more out on the highway but you would lose the performance from a stop as those 2 seconds can definitely be felt. The loss of Autostop would hurt the city numbers somewhat of course but the Insight might weigh just 1,750 - 1,800 #’s w/out Hybridization (I am guessing) and that would help alleviate the loss of the IMA somewhat as well.

___The Prius II on the other hand has a large enough pack to propel her (~ 6miles IIRC?) and the way it is integrated, it does in fact need both the HSD and ICE to work. I am not promoting the Prius II in the last myself as it is overpriced and underperforming for what you receive imho but I cannot fault its design or integration for high fuel economy from a 2,890 # automobile.

___Good Luck

___Wayne R. Gerdes
___Hunt Club Farms Landscaping Ltd.
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