[ElectricTroy]

(see subject)

 

[jbrasure]

I don't think Honda has announced anything either way.

 

[Cap'n Ron]

Yeah, I've been looking at the Insight since I test drove one in '03...since then, I kept checking to see if Honda would be making it for the next model year...On line, Carsdirect.com, Edmunds.com, the Honda website. What I found was that there was little to no mention of the following year's model until December. All those sites only ever showed an '04 or '05 until very close to the new year.

1000 miles on my '06 in two weeks...61.8MPG...saved 51 gallons of gasoline and $158 over driving the thing parked in the garage!

Cap'n. . .

 

[ext1jdh]

Well, it was at the Chicago Auto show. No apparent changes. And theyve still got it in the documentation.

I think it'll come out in 07, same as it has these last several years...quietly.

 

[Jackmpg]

2007 Insight?

Yeah, I agree, with the price of gas being what it is, sales are going up. That's what I was told yesterday at a local Honda dealer. I was there to scan a '05 Insight CVT to confirm an OBD issue. The CVT being sold was new, factory sticker price was about $22,000, window sticker price from the dealer I DO remember, $24,999, ug! Just the same, Honda likes being # 1. I believe they'll keep the Insight till they can come up with something better in mpg and still reasonably affordable. I heard that one from a Honda rep at the Tour de Sol last spring. Hope it's true. Jack

 

[Dougie]

Toyota has hinted that the next Prius will be more extreme. They might figure out how to push the Insight off the top of the list (although it would be pretty hard with a sedan), which would be the end of the Insight as we know it.

On the bright side, when the price of gas goes up to $5 and stays there for a year, the whole thing about the EPA ratings being "unfair because they don't reflect how people really drive" will go away--as "drive 55" and "no more Christmas lights" and "room temperature is really 68 degrees" comes back to haunt us. At that point, perhaps a new model, a little tiny thing like this http://www.autoblog.com/2006/01/24/mits ... -in-japan/ only with a Honda hybrid system, could be the new Insight.

Still all-aluminum. Four seats. 250cc turbodiesel hybrid drivetrain. Truly low rolling resistance tires. Aggressive auto-stop & coast...

 

[kari]

Toyota has hinted that the next Prius will be more extreme. They might figure out how to push the Insight off the top of the list (although it would be pretty hard with a sedan), which would be the end of the Insight as we know it.

I think they might be able to figure something out - the new HCH gained a lot in energy efficiency but from what I've read they chose to put that into increasing power instead of into fuel efficiency. That's one of the reasons I went with the new insight instead of the new HCH. (that, and the manual transmission.) It was a sore spot with me, one of the few times a car manufacturer has actually modernized the internal combustion engine and they focus on increasing power! at a time that hybrids are flying off the lots regardless of public perception of "zip" (or lack of)!

But! I do NOT want to see the end of the Insight!

 

[james]

If Toyota really wanted to push Honda off the top of the list, it shouldn't be too hard to do. Just build a similar aluminum-bodied two-seater, incorportating what they've learned in the last 5 or 6 years.

Then of course Honda could come back with an improved Insight II...

 

[ElectricTroy]

I want this (250 MPG):

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/04 ... s_its.html

 

[Ed]

Looks like this could knock both Honda and Toyota off the top in MPG if not CO2 emissions.

http://www.channel4.com/4car/feature/en ... index.html

The C4 even looks a bit Insighty, 2010 is the estimate for introduction. Might not go in the US though unless diesel becomes more popular.

 

[ElectricTroy]

That thing would be about equal to the Honda Insight - around 65mpg highway under the EPA's testing. Impressive for a mid-sized sedan!



Or I'd like to have this (100 MPG) : http://www.diskdrive.co.za/newsstories/ ... 3ltdi.html

 

[Insightful Trekker]

AFAI remember member No166 from and in Germany posted about the 250 MPG vehicle way back when.

VW more than "cheated" to get this result. The trip was all slightly downhill under moderate traffic conditions and they "drafted" one of the convoy vehicles most of the way.

YMWBML (You Mileage Will Be Much Lower)

Power and performance will also necessairly be anemic.

 

[ElectricTroy]

At 6 hp.... yeah definitely not a powerhouse. It can't even exceed 60 mph.

I still want one. 8)

 

[james]

"Impressive for a mid-sized sedan!"

Yeah, like you'll ever catch me driving a mid-sized sedan