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Hello Everybody,

I signed up here after reading many posts. I bought my Insight ZE2 last December and i have the Comfort Trim.

I want to install daytime running light. Here in Switzerland it is mandatory to use either DLR or the Low beams since 1.1.2014.
When my low beams are switched on the dashboard lighting will turn to night mode which is annoying. I am also lazy to turn on the low beams every day, until now i was lucky and avoided a fine. Also i hope the auto stop will last a little longer with turned off low beams.

I saw i few threads here considering DLR, unfortunately most do not comply with European regulations.

To comply with the regulations the DLR need to be running as long as the car is running. The usual aftermarket DLR just sense the voltage and if it higher than 13.V they consider the engine is running. Obviously it is not working for hybrids and cars with start stop.

So i bought Philips Guide DLR which have an input for the Ignition. To keep things easy i want to tap the ignition signal in the motor compartment. Is the ignition signol on during auto stopp? Is there a wiring diagram available for download or can anybody tell me where i can easily tap the ignition or ACC wire.

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Auto stop is flaky. Ive seen it work for as short as a second to 7 minutes.

If you need to have the higher state of charge for your DRLs to work then you can disable the ELD or 12 volt inhibit wire in the IMA system.

Best wire I can recommend to tap is either the accessory wire or a few others from under the dash.
 

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Hi Cobb

Thanks for the answer


All i need is a wire where i can tap either the accessory or ignition state in the engine bay. Means ACC or IGN =12V my DRL will light up.

In my cars documentation i do not have the wire schematic. And the only download i found is for the insight 1.

If i really have to tap it from the dashboad i can find the places.
 

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Ill double check, but I believe the tappable stuff under the hood is for the ac in the black boxes you see near the starter battery.

Plan B maybe able to tap a wire to the ecu that sits upside down behind the starter battery.
 

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Does anyone have the electric manual? Daytime running lights are standard in the U.S. Didn't someone around here say that the Insight daytime running lights were the high beams on a lower voltage circuit, thereby making them dimmer?
 

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@egads

Yes this is true for the US Model. In Europe there are other Regulations. The dimmed high beams are not allowed here.
Even the technical standards in Europe are the same the rules are not. E.g. Switzerland requires a DLR or low beam on all time, but Germany does not.
 

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Its Done

So I fixed it today.

I connected it to Fuse in teh engine bay as described here http://www.insightcentral.net/forums/modifications-technical-discussions/35625-philips-drl4-updated-control-module-additional-blue-wire.html#post381617
Thanks to user alxdc

Here a few photos. Hopefully it will comply with the regulation as i had to take advantage of all tolerances. So no guarentee on that. Also there are better spots to fix the light but i didn't want to cut opening in the front bumper. So only the decoration under the blinkers are affected.



Philips Guide LED DLR unboxed




Control box opened



I used a wire to pull the cable from fron to the larger openening under the car, then use another wire to draw i to the top.





With light on it really looks ok.
Standing just in front it doesn't look nice at all. This will be improved soon.
 

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Your DRLs don't look bad at all!

Noticed that it's very green there in the background! Looks like Summer already. What part of Switzerland? We don't have leaves on the trees here yet. Will still be a while, perhaps a couple of weeks at the earliest if we are lucky!
 

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Hi Foresight,

I have to alter the position a bit as i need a minumum distance of 40mm to the blinker.

I live on the lake of Zurich. We had a warm winter cherry and apple blossom are almost over. But for Easter winter gives a short come back with snow comming down as far as 900 metres over sea level.
 

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Is there room to put your DRLs under the license plate area in the grill? Would that location comply with the regulations for DRLs in your country? See picture...



Wow! That is an early Spring! You live in one of my favorite regions on the planet. Apple blossoms over there were usually not out until May, as I remember?

I met quite a few skiers from the UK who came over to ski at one of our local ski areas this year. They all said that skiing was not as good as usual in the Alps and decided to come over here on their ski vacation.

We didn't get that much snow on our "mountains" this Winter. Had a lot of cold air, but the big snow storms went mostly to our south. The coast of Maine got more snow than the mountains this year.

Luckily our ski areas make snow, so they did put down a good layer for base and the cold air helped us to keep the little snow that actually fell. December and January conditions were mostly ice. Not too much fun, but it got better in February and March. Still a tad cool over here.
 

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Unfortunately i cannot put them to the grille. It would look better someone on the forum did so. But there need to be at least 600mm ca. 24 inches between the two DLR and maximum 400m ca. 16 inches from the edges of the car.
 

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I figured there would be some kind of measurement criteria or restriction that you'd have to follow. It was worth the shot.
 

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I attached the DLRs to the lower end of the decorative cover. A wedge keeps the correct orientation. Note that the Philips guide has a very wide angle of the emmited light. Not all DLRs are suitable for this orientation. I used tape to close the openings as i do not want water and road debris enter to the engine bay.
The Daylight guide are very bright. The light is visible from all directions even it is looking sidewards.






Note that on the picture the DLRs are dimmed acting as parking/position light and the blinker is on. There is a gap of 40mm as required by the ECE 87, The original parking light was replaced by a dummy as it is not allowed to have two parking lights.
 

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Dear foresight,

Can u show the picture where exactly the fender gap where u lay the blue wire to the engine bay? I have been trying to find it but can't find it.

Thanks in advance.
 

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It was MattCH that wired up the DRLs, not me. He may have pictures of the blue wire location.
 
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